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	<title>Comments on: What if they had been profitable?</title>
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	<description>Politics, Technology, and other stuff from St. George, UT</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The chiefs numbers dont add up. 5 Deputies writing 2000-4000 cites a year?! No way. 1000 a year would be a lot. And that number would go down quickly once the locals are on to it. 

Speeding is not the most common causal factor in TC&#039;s. Red lights and stop signs are. So there is no reason to expect a speed trap to reduce TC&#039;s. 

Writing tickets does not give us the ability to search cars. Pulling people over for VC violations gives us the ability to begin an investigation, which may or may not lead to a search, regradless if a citation gets written or not. Most cops don&#039;t want to write tickets but in these podunk towns they may get pressured to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The chiefs numbers dont add up. 5 Deputies writing 2000-4000 cites a year?! No way. 1000 a year would be a lot. And that number would go down quickly once the locals are on to it. </p>
<p>Speeding is not the most common causal factor in TC&#8217;s. Red lights and stop signs are. So there is no reason to expect a speed trap to reduce TC&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Writing tickets does not give us the ability to search cars. Pulling people over for VC violations gives us the ability to begin an investigation, which may or may not lead to a search, regradless if a citation gets written or not. Most cops don&#8217;t want to write tickets but in these podunk towns they may get pressured to.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.kennelson.com/newblog/what-if-they-had-been-profitable-2293/comment-page-1#comment-1016</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad reporting. Not uncommon.

There is no public problem with traffic. Most people drive the safe speed for the road, which could be slower or faster than what is posted.  Cops will tell you that. 

Cops value tickets for their ability to search and arrest afterwards. 

Chiefs value tickets for their ability to make money.

Most accidents are caused by a small % of people. Addressing those people firmly when they cause problems would be better and would redirect police resources to tasks other than shaking down the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad reporting. Not uncommon.</p>
<p>There is no public problem with traffic. Most people drive the safe speed for the road, which could be slower or faster than what is posted.  Cops will tell you that. </p>
<p>Cops value tickets for their ability to search and arrest afterwards. </p>
<p>Chiefs value tickets for their ability to make money.</p>
<p>Most accidents are caused by a small % of people. Addressing those people firmly when they cause problems would be better and would redirect police resources to tasks other than shaking down the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note that neither you nor the quoted pieces mentioned whether the devices helped or hindered public safety. The &quot;dangerous road conditions&quot; needs some specificity. 

I&#039;m also surprised that a techie disdains technological solutions to public problems with blasts like &quot;Traffic enforcement is just a means to make a buck&quot;.  It&#039;s almost always a sign of lack of data that accompanies an attack on motives rather an analysis of data. If the devices improve public safety, the motives should be irrelevant. The devices should live or die on the basis of their cost-effectiveness, not on political attitudes. 

Give us some useful data to support your claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that neither you nor the quoted pieces mentioned whether the devices helped or hindered public safety. The &#8220;dangerous road conditions&#8221; needs some specificity. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also surprised that a techie disdains technological solutions to public problems with blasts like &#8220;Traffic enforcement is just a means to make a buck&#8221;.  It&#8217;s almost always a sign of lack of data that accompanies an attack on motives rather an analysis of data. If the devices improve public safety, the motives should be irrelevant. The devices should live or die on the basis of their cost-effectiveness, not on political attitudes. </p>
<p>Give us some useful data to support your claim.</p>
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